Este credinta nociva pentru omenire?

[Grivei]

Gogutza , iti raspund pe masura posturilor tale.  Gogutza e doar un diminutiv al lui Gheorghe , de la David la Gheorghe e doar o chestie de evolutie si vitzavercea.

[David]

Eh, ai vrea tu Silică. Încerci sa maschezi lipsa de argumente cu glumițe infantile.

[Grivei]

Zise scientologul si mai manca o placenta de maimutzi.

[David]

Exact ce spuneam. De aia te fereai ca de dracu sa-ti expui părerile cand te ascundeai sub numele de "Reloaded", știai ca n-ai nici o șansă.

[Grivei]

Nu ma ascundeam sub nick-ul Reloaded , eram banat pe Grivei. Ce , nu e hranitoare placenta dpdv stiintific sau nu faceau maimutzile chestia asta?

[David]

Oi fi fost tu banat ca Grivei, dar tot te fereai ca de dracu sa-ti expui părerile, știai ca n-ai nici o șansă. Mai ales cand ca se stia ca ai debitat niște perle de toată frumusetea ca cica trebuie sa respectam biblia aschilopata, ne-au făcut/manipulat extraterestrii verzi, si alte gogorițe hilare. Normal deci ca tot ce-ti rămâne de făcut e sa încerci sa dai impresia ca esti jovial si ironic, altfel s-ar vedea ca cam sufla vântul...

[Grivei]

Ai inteles ca cucu'n cioc. Eniuei , biblia trebuie respectata si numai pentru faptul ca e cea mai citita/tradusa carte. In plus am mai zis ca biblia nu exclude ideea manipularii genetice despre care vorbesc tablitele sumeriene , fapt care e foarte plauzibil ... in opinia mea.

[Dagothur]

biblia trebuie respectata si numai pentru faptul ca e cea mai citita/tradusa carte

       Atunci si prostia trebuie respectata pentru ca e cea mai des intalnita trasatura umana din toate timpurile.
       Gandeste inainte sa scrii.

[Grivei]

Foarte des se pot intalni oameni ca tine .

[David]

Dupa cum spune si Dagothur, cantitatea conteaza mai putin decat calitatea. Eat ****, billions of flies can't be wrong - se aplica si aici. O carte se judeca dupa continut, nu dupa tiraj.

Tablitele sumeriene nu indica nici o manipulare genetica, si nici biblia.

[Grivei]

nu indica pentru ca nu ai citit tu. iaca niste citate mai jos.
"To create a Primitive Worker, by the mark of our essence to fashion him!
So was Enki to the leaders saying.
The Being that we need, it already exists!"
"Male and female they are! Enki was saying; malehoods and femalehoods they have,
Like us, from Nibiru coming, they are procreating.
Ningishzidda, my son, their Fashioning Essence has tested;
Akin to ours it is, like two serpents it is entwined;
When their with our life essence shall be combined, our mark upon them shall be,
A Primitive Worker shall be created! Our commands will he understand,
Our tools he will handle..."
"Enki to his brother responded: Not slaves, but helpers is my plan!
The Being already exists! Ninmah was saying. To give more ability is the plan!
Not a new creature, but one existing more in our image made! Enki with persuasion said,
With little change it can be achieved, only a drop of our essence is needed!"
"The oval of an Earth female with Anunnaki male essence they put together;
The fertilized egg into the womb of Ninmah by Enki was inserted; there was conception!
The pregnancy, by an admixture conceived, how long will it last? to each other they wondered.
Will it be nine months of Nibiru, will it be nine months of Earth?
Longer than on Earth, quicker than on Nibiru, travail came; to a male child Ninmah birth was
giving!
Enki the boy child held in his hands; the image of perfection he was.
He slapped the newborn on his hindparts; the newborn uttered proper sounds!
He handed the newborn to Ninmah; she held him up in her hands. My hands have made it! victoriously she shouted.
Now this is the account of how Adamu by name was called,
And how Ti-Amat as a counterpart female for him was fashioned.
The newborn's visage and limbs the leaders carefully examined:
Of good shape were his ears, his eyes were not clogged,
His limbs were proper, hindparts like legs, foreparts like hands were shaped.
Shaggy like the wild ones he was not, dark black his head hair was,
Smooth was his skin, smooth as the Anunnaki skin it was,
Like dark red blood was its color..."

[David]

Hahaha, eu vorbeam de ce spun tablitele sumeriene iar tu-mi spui ce zice Sitchin, un impostor.

Zecharia Sitchin and The Earth Chronicles

". . .he's just another nut making a living selling books that treat folks to a tale they want to believe in."
---Rob Hafernik
"...the Sumerian Epic of Creation is not an allegorical myth but a sophisticated cosmogony scientifically describing how our solar system came to be...." Zecharia Sitchin

Zecharia Sitchin, along with Erich von Däniken and Immanuel Velikovsky, make up the holy trinity of pseudohistorians. Each begins with the assumption that ancient myths are not myths but historical and scientific texts. Sitchin's claim to fame is announcing that he alone correctly reads ancient Sumerian clay tablets. [Of course, he didn't announce this by taking out an ad in the New York Times but by implying it with his "translations" that do not jibe with the work of legitimate scholars in the field.] If Sitchin is right, then all other scholars have misread these tablets, which, according to Sitchin, reveal that gods from another planet (Nibiru or Niburu, which orbits our Sun every 3,600 years) arrived on Earth some 450,000 years ago and created humans by genetic engineering of female apes. Niburu orbits beyond Pluto and is heated from within by radioactive decay, according to Sitchin. No other scientist has discovered that these descendants of gods blew themselves up with nuclear weapons some 4,000 years ago (The War of Gods and Men, p. 310).* Sitchin alone can look at a Sumerian tablet and see that it depicts a man being subjected to radiation. He alone knows how to correctly translate ancient terms allowing him to discover such things as that the ancients made rockets (ibid., p. 46).* Yet, he doesn't seem to know that the seasons are caused by the earth's tilt, not by its distance from the sun.

Sitchin was born in Russia, was raised in Palestine, and graduated from the University of London with a degree in economic history. He worked for years as a journalist and editor in Israel before settling in New York.

Sitchin, like Velikovsky, presents himself as erudite and scholarly in a number of books, including The Twelfth Planet (1976) and The Cosmic Code (1998). Both Sitchin and Velikovsky write very knowledgeably of ancient myths and both are nearly scientifically illiterate. Like von Däniken and Velikovsky, Sitchin weaves a compelling and entertaining story out of facts, misrepresentations, fictions, speculations, misquotes, and mistranslations. Each begins with their beliefs about ancient visitors from other worlds and then proceeds to fit facts and fictions to their basic hypotheses. Each is a master at ignoring inconvenient facts, making mysteries where there were none before, and offering their alien hypotheses to solve the mysteries. Their works are very attractive to those who love a good mystery and are ignorant of  the nature and limits of scientific knowledge. They are especially attractive to those who are ignorant of biblical and historical scholarship.

Sitchin promotes himself as a Biblical scholar and master of ancient languages, but his real mastery was in making up his own translations of Biblical texts to support his readings of Sumerian and Akkadian writings.

He's let us know he's going to twist the translations around to support his thesis. Indeed, a reader of Sitchin's book would do well to keep a couple of Bibles handy to check up on the verses Sitchin quotes. Many of them will sound odd or unrecognizable because they have been translated from their familiar form (this is made harder by the fact that Sitchin rarely tells you just which verse he is quoting). This would be much more acceptable if he wasn't using the twisted translations to support the thesis that led to the twisted translations (Hafernik).

Most of Sitchin’s sources are obsolete. He has received nothing but ridicule from scientific archaeologists and scholars familiar with ancient languages. His most charming quality seems to be his vivid imagination and complete disregard for established facts and methods of inquiry, traits that are apparently very attractive to some people.

Sitchin's ideas have been appropriated by Raël, another wise man, who has started his own religion (Raëlian Religion) around the idea that humans are the result of a DNA experiment by ancient visitors from outer space. Raël has even written a channeled book, dictated to him by extraterrestrials. It is called The Final Message. We can only hope it is.

[Grivei]

pai si tu credeai ca nu stiam ca sitchin si altii ca el au fost contestati? problema e ca aia de ii contesta nici nu imi explica misterul constructiilor alea din vechime , nazca de exemplu , cunostintele ce le aveau popoarele alea din vechime , etc.
Si tu mi-l citezi pe un oarecare Rob Hafernik care iata ce spune despre el:
"My name is Rob Hafernik and I'm not an archeologist, I only play one on the Internet. Since I don't have any training in archeology..."
Come , on ! Put a sock in it!

[David]

Sitchin trebuia sa pună un sock on it, el se da mare specialist al Sumerului. El, un economist, LOL! Hafernik nu face decât sa observe ca specialiștii nu dau doi bani pe aberatiile lui Sitchin - nu trebuie sa fii arheolog ca sa cunoști părerea unor arheologi.

Deci problema nu este ca "e contestat", ci ca nu scrie așa ceva pe tablitele sumeriene. E varza inventata de unu' cu febră, si asta n-are nici o legătura cu explicatii ale "misterelor" de care vorbești. Nimeni cine spune ca Sitchin vorbește aiurea  nu trebuie sa explice nici un mister inchipuit sau real, inventiile Sitchiene sunt respinse indiferent

[Grivei]

Bineinteles ca sunt respinse , tot asa unii nu mananca oaie pe motiv ca nu le place , chiar daca nu au gustat niciodata.